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I’ve been hosting this show for over a dozen years now. Although I enjoy speaking with all of my guests, there are a handful with whom I love conversing. Today’s guest, Thomas Frank, is one of those. He’s the author of some essential books including What’s the Matter with Kansas, Listen Liberal, The Wrecking Crew and many others… his newest one throws the covers off around populism, The People, No: A Brief History of Anti-Populism. I hope you enjoy our conversation as much as I did!

As the show started, the first joint event between Joe Biden and his newly-minted running mate Kamala Harris had just begun. I carried a few minutes of it because, well, history. But then Thomas Frank came on, and we ran long… so today’s show runs overtime!

I did share a funny from Lauren Meyer. I asked yesterday for a “Kamala” song parody of “Camelot” and Lauren delivered!


And for those who like to watch, here’s today’s show on video: