Jeff Sharlet has been alerting the rest of us to the more frightening aspects of the fringes of society for many years and eight books by now. His new one is THE UNDERTOW: SCENES FROM A SLOW CIVIL WAR.

I asked Jeff to join us on today’s show because, as I write this, the former guy is in a Miami Federal Court, pleading Not Guilty to 37 criminal counts — 31 of willful retention of national security records and 6 counts of obstruction.

History is being made, for sure. But then there’s the question of the people who came out to support the first former president to be indicted and arrested on criminal charges, and the violent rhetoric they’re casually threatening the rest of us with.