I don’t usually interview novelists on this show, but Mike Papantonio is so much more. He is a leading trial lawyer who’s won numerous multi-million dollar verdicts on behalf of victims of corporate malfeasance. He hosted the radio show “Ring of Fire” on Air America Radio, and has written a bunch of books – both fiction and non-fiction- dealing with the law.

His new book, The Middleman, centers on the shady practices of Big Pharma, a subject we should all be concerned about. One of Pap’s co-hosts on “Ring of Fire” for many years was Bobby Kennedy Jr. When I invited him on the show to talk about his new book, I also said I’d have to ask about Trump’s Secretary of Health and Human Services, a man for who I previously had a lot of respect. He said no subject was off limits.

PS That description was written before the interview. Now that it’s over, I guess there are some things he did not want to talk about. Oh well… Now we know.